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and what do you mean by a little bit? >> anyway, sometimes you sound like a 7-year-old. well, sometimes you write like . >> robots that is stand in for humans are under development. >> they are fast and intelligent. john: what will that mean? eternal life? >> also, will robots takeover the workplace. >> a robot is easier to employees than a human being, they are never late for work, and never ask for a raise. john: it would be good to replace drivers. >> a car that drivers itself. john: and designer babies. >> giving parents a opportunity to build a baby, choosing eye color, and skin tone and more. john: come on, we have to be willing to say, not everything that i can do should. >> i should we, can we? a new word is coming.
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that is our show tonight, robots are breaking out of laboratories and stepping into our lives. john: what will the future look like? i struggle with the present. using a digital video recorder to tape atytty oftty of tv progs in my car, and a smartphone, i have no idea how to use most of the apps, but those who do understand it are changing the world and for the better like a m.i.t. professor. >> world wide incomes have grown at a faster rate in past decade than ever, if anything, all these numbers, actually under understate our progress because
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the new machine age is more 'knowledge creation than physical production, it is mind not matter, brain not braun, ideas not things that creates eye problem for -- creates a problem for standard metrics we're getting more and more stuff for free. john: eric is joining us now what did that mean. >> wikipedia available for free, that means it does not show up in their statistics that measure value of goods and services bought and sold. john: one example you used in youred to talk, robot that -- ted talk was ibm named watson, that went on jeopardy to compete with people and lost, but that was in 2011, that computer kept working. >> these are all the champions on the quiz show jeopardy, at first, watson was not very good, but it improved, at a rate
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faster than any human could. and shortly after dave showed this chart to my class at m.i.t., watson beat the world jeopardy champion. john: he won a million dollars, ibm gave it to charity. >> eric also covered what happened to watson next. >> it i its teachers let it sure internet unsuperviseed, the next day it starteed answering questions with profanitys, but watson is growing up fast, tested for jobs in call center, and getting them, applying figure legal, banks and medical jobs, and getting some of home. john: really? legal jobs? doctor jobs? absolutely, watson is reading all medical literature, if not
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today -- world's best diagnostictition, i would not be surprised if it was in years. john: you wrote we had the first industrial revolution, about expanding people's strength and power of our bodies this is about expanding our brains, you say this is bigger. >> we talk about the increase in living standards brought boo about -- brought about by the steam engine, that is physical power, now we're improving mental power cognition, with tools like watson. john: that is just going to keep happening, computer performance doubles every 18 to 24 months. >> computers get better faster than anything else. look at say a child's playstation, sign a sign, that has -- sony playstation it has
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more power than a military signer computer as late at 1990s. >> we forced saddam hussein out of kuwait, and every said it was because of our amazing computer power, missiles, we were ahead, the playstation now, has more computing power than we had then. >> and hundreds of millions have that, your smartphone is like a supercomputer from a generation agoing, these trends combine to i think, lead to a faster pace of innovation than we've seen. john: some people say that tech growth is slowing. we're seeing's decline, a book, the great stagnation argues that growth will continue to decline, because we have grabbed low hanging fruit. >> nothing new or interesting or innovative any more. >> that motivated to us write the second machine age, we saw
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them talk about stagnation, we did not see it at m.i.t. or we go to silicon val or examples surround us, know no vagu innovn has not slowed down. if you look specifically at what is happening with technology, i think it never has been faster it just not nearly captured. john: we have not seen some innovation, we were once promised like flying cars and trains and planes not much faster? >> maybe cars are not but they are learning how to drive themselves there are other dimensions that are speeding up, it is science fiction. it used to be star trek when people would talk to machines and they answer back, now we take our smartphones a lot of us talk to them, and expect them to understand what we're saying, they are not per if yo perfect e
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in a 10 or 15 year period where they will listen to us without problem. john: thank you, eric. now, hollywood always imagineed a word with robots, star wars made r2-d2, and c-3po famous, they were kind and helpful, more often robots turned deadly. >> we designed them to be trusted with our homes. >> they kill people, and this raises question, if robots teach themselves they are doing that, might they become a threat to us in real life? patrick tucker, editor at large in magazine the futureist, which we worry? >> robots can become more dangerous, as we ask them to an. and i think that armed drones
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actually presents a great opportunity to talk about that. we think of drones now as they flyover foreign countries, they do the work of our military, and they decrease cost of military involvement but by the year, en of year 2015 we'll have 30,000 drones, they are unarmed but circleing over u.s. and doing work of police department, and survey length. are they capable of ain't social behavior? of executeing tasks that have a cost to human life and health, i think absolutely. john: what do you mean? i could of them as operated by people. >> drones right now are operated by people, a key interest of military right now, is incremently increasing the level of autonomy in these systems, that is a huge cost safer for them, the more they do -- their own less it costs to run them, we're making them more and more
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capable, and -- >> as with computer watson, soon started teaching itself. >> they are capable of doing, that they learn, exponentialy faster than we can, if we want but they work in narrowly designed parameters. john: you program them, you must never harm a human being. >> the key to laws of robotics that will protect us -- each one responds to last, you can't harm a human being, you have to do what you are told, and et cetera, and unfortunately, when we have violated first law in way we design a lot of military systems we' robots that are capable of carrying out complex military missions. so, fine. does that mean they will pose a threat to the people that operate them? not necessarily, but it does mean as we ask them to do more and more things, as we design
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them to taken increases aim of lloyd off of backs o -- load off backs of soldier this is where antisocialism comes in. it is designed to do the tasks porsperfectly. then you give it a few more things to think about doing on top of, that save moment amount of fuel you can, and find shortage range, and avoid this place, and that place, you keep layering on it, evenly you get to a . you as the designer of the robot don't realize all those rules conflict, next thing you created a highly efficient monster that is capable of performing what you asked it to perform but you did not understand what you programed it to do. john: military is talking about
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that. >> they are talking about it. john: how do you teach a robot to be moral. >> for most it plays out in decisions, decisions we take moment by moment, day-by-day, and every decision we take as a calculation. this good for mo or person i am interaccounting with? we can process it. and then it is possible to create robotic systems a sense of right and wrong, they are still puppets that we make but they are complex. that is where the real problem comes in. john: puppets is right, this is what i think of with robots, a toy here that don't do much, it is hard to imagine them taking over in anyway since we design them. but they are doing there one -- if we can. >> they are doing more prototype of one showing casino floor
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skills in chicago last year, dealing black jack. in japan there are projects that are teaching robots to take care of older people. >> japan has been leading the way in human robotic interaction. john: this is a robotic seal? older people like playing with it. >> yes that is puddle. and he does provide comfort. and companion ship to the japanese elderly. john: hard to believe this machine could comfort people. >> it can provide a level of tactile comfort, we want to touch, and interact with beings, a lot of robotics in japan for elder kay the care they have prl uses they accompany people to the stores to get grocerys and
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picking people up when they fall down. john: a exciting new worm thank you patrick tucker, to deep this going on facebook or twitter you can use that hash tag, coming up we just showed that you robot black jack dealer, more on whetherobots willctlly place u t oob il they te my job. i aohntoel.0, i taineeskte qutisorsm sel.0,on orls when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here tes ingse a: engineering and innovation jobs.
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>> can robots takeover the workforce. >> a robot is easier to employees than a haourpl an being, they are never late for work they never ask for a raise. john: robots are going to take our jobs, it is logical if they can do it, and they are never late for work, and they never whine about a raise, they will take our jobs. jobs. >> i will take your job, john, i am smarter than you, and i never take a bathroom break. john: most everyone working being self-sufficient, will soon
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be over, but for a few rich people who build and own those repwhots, srobots so says left g economic professor noaa smith. the author of singularty rising a book about the future. james miller said, those like noah who want to fix this ineqaulity should chill out, noel. end of labor, robots will do everything? no other jobs. >> in the past we have, but there is no guarantee it will happen. and what if it doesn't? why. russ.john: why would we assume s not the place it hal a has alwas been. >> i really hope that you are
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right. those things that were all over the place, horses? where are they now? you know, there are a few. >> i don't care if we have fewer horses, they don't adapt the way people do. >> is there a limit to how much people can adapt? i hope not. but maybe there will be. john: james? >> you know most people don't like their jobs, if we can still have everyone have a decent life style whether you work or not on optional that great. john: i thought people get purpose in work. >> some do, but you can get purpose in other places, a lot who get purpose from playing video games and caring for children. john: do you support that idea give poor money, tax rich more that will make live better. >> we have should not impose too high of a tax on the rich, that will slowdown the future, longer
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people have to work at crap jo jobs. john: you say, subsidize? let them sit on the beach. >> if some people get automateed away, not all, still the software engineers and robot lords but some people get automateed away, what do you do with those people in pay them to sit on the beach. john: they find other things to do, in 1800, 90 percent of americans worked on farms. now 1%. we create new opportunities, medical research. personal training, i can't imagine. you make another points that prices go down. >> you don't need to work, you get facebook for free, if your cell phone almost for free, the price of food likely going down, robots building houses and driving cars it will be cheap to take a bus. you will not need to earn that
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money. >> even warren buffet, who wants to impose large taxes on the rich. and in my opinion, gets that wrong, he said you are wrong to worry about jobs disappearing, a interviewer. >> what do you do in day in age where ipads can replace certain jobs, and they are. >> always good to replace jobs,. john: >> always good? >> if you top free up people for other things. >> always good to replace jobs, and she can't believe that, people who made whips for horse and carriage, black smiths, phone traitors, secretaries, so many jobs are gone, we had full employment until now we have so much regulation people are afraid to start new enterprises, and un. the is high are but move people have jobs. >> outside possibley is there we
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should be prepared for it. john: how do you prepare? >> you think about what you will do in that case. case. >> i think difference in past is that we'll have machines that can think, that can do what a person can do, that is when you got rid of one type of job in past there were still things that people could do that machines could not, a hundred years ago we would breed super intelligence horses that would have destroyed a lot of jobs that would never come back we're close to that. john: the worst that could happen? >> is that have you a few people who are robot lords who own and control armies of robots and there is whether you want to raise taxes on rich does not matter of there is no way to get their money, governments will be useless and powerless. >> why? >> because, you know you got a rich guy with his little army of robots and force of software
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>> i don't' to die, but i accept that i will, not everyone is willing to accept, that baseball star ted williams, had his body, right after he died, frozen in hopes in future when science was more advance he would be brought back to life, the process cryonics, the company offered to freeze anyone for $200,000, and
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700 a year for mat maintenance. more than a thousand people have been paid to be frozen. so far no one ma has been revivd but it will happen. happen. really. >> yes, give it first 30, 440 y. john: in ted williams case, his head and body are preserveed separately, la is that about? >> well, in early days of cryogenics they were not sure how to do it the best way, a lot said head is easeiest way to do put shraourg solution flew the e blood vessels, they have improved the system so they no longer do that. that. john: a special needs child? >> a special need child has
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intelligence of a one-year-old dog or something of that nature, could never have perception or condition speak or understand what is -- can't speak or understand what is going on, they have a better chance of coming back in future and being made normal like you and i am it a very humane thing to do. john: well, extremist cryogenics thinks a new ars newer idea, tht in 30 years you will be able to load your consus consciousness o your computer so you will never die. >> his body is dying but his mind is a pattern of signals. >> we can save him. >> hard to believe that could happen. but, it can, you load your brain
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into a computer. >> yes, so, there are already video games played in silicon volley companys that special lead in this they tusconly brain -- they us they use only the brn waves, 10 or 30 years funding and research, and capital, to make it so we could have thoughts transfered from a chip in our head or a helmet, on to a screen. a perfect "avatar" of ourselvess, we're closer to that than most people realize, scientists told me if there was enough funding we think we could be there in approximately 10 years. >> and you wrote a science fiction book about this, amazon's number one book under philosophy, called a transhumanist wager. >> someone who wants to use
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radical science and radical technology to liv live indefini, mergeing into a machine, becoming a cyborg, that is what a transhumanist wants. john: that changes life what about family, and marriage? jobs? >> some of those institutions may not exist this 50 years, marriage, are people getting married for all of eternity, when they are live foral of eternity,. john: why would to make a difference. >> it makes people uneasy, that is a lot longer than a hundred years. john: is your name really zoltan ? >> it is. a popular name in hungary. did you see the movie dude, where's higwhere's my car. >> cryonics unloading our
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brains, your name it just all seems, science fiction. john: well a lot is. >> what is so interesting it is here today, and we're going to be so much closer to these things. >> a new world, thank you zoltan . >> coming up, this is a better way on route traffic? no traffic lights, do cars move faster safely? >> and also, want to design your own baby, if you could choose your kid's hair color and eye color would you? how about beauty, athletic abuilty and brain power. a doctor said that the science is here do this now, some people don't like that. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs.
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john: you going to have a baby?
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would you like him to be healt healthy, smart, a good athlete? it is not allowed to design your babys in america now but it is coming. >> chrome, no he'll issues, world class athlete, swimmer. competed in detroit olympics. >> every box is checked. john: once people can design their children, i assume every child would have those. but before you say you would never design your children, it is unnatural. think about this, wha what if tr parents were doing it? if you done, your baby would be less beautiful and intelligent. fall behind. would you still not do it? you young people are going to have to face these choices. the first steps in this direction are already happening now. 5 years ago clinics called
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fertile i uyy institutes helped parents pick eye color, and hair color, what happened. >> we had a media blitz, information went out, not all correct, but people found out some potentials out there and had a interest, they were either in favor of if or against it. -- favoar of it or against it. >> we backed off. we're thinking about reoffering it. john: so, what do you now, is part of it. american government has a law against genetic engineering of children. >> correct. john: what do you do? you offer people gender selection? >> yes, we allow them to select what they have done on their own, they make their own boys and girls, pr prior to concepti,
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we allow them to choose whether male or female, in-vitro. ry select thwe select the best d return it to mom. john: i hear embryo, i think of something alive, the sperm as met the egg and grown. >> that is a personal feeling a personal definition of what is going on. that one has to guide your thoughts. john: i am struck about how everyone has such strong feelings, what you do it illegal in canada, united kingdom and australia. for people who view embryo as a life, i think it would be better if you could play around with the genes before that. but that is forbidden. >> that is what the law says, that is how we run it 92 other
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things. john: other things you could do but do not eye color, hair color, skin tone, athletic abuilty and height. >> these are among different things we can do,ing in to in in addition to predicts alcoholism, drug addiction, sexual deiviation. and all of the different syndromes a lot of genetic diseases, they have been predicted by amniocentesis for years, but now, we can find the disease before mom is pregnant. john: if this is kept illegal appeal will do this anyway, they will go to a different country rear secretly? >> british, i applaud british for this are about to take first step in true genetic engineers,
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briefic government has piv eic t has taken first step. john: u.s. not allowing it. >> u.s. decided they will watch the british, they will analyze is closely, and see which way to go. john: there was a poll, a pew poll, asked how would you feel if perspective parents could alter the dna of their children to produce smarter healthier, more athletic off spring, 66 perseid it would be a change for the worse, 26% said a good thing. >> years ago, when invet in-vits first developed, i wakeed out to my car, and there was a note on my car, that said test tkaoub tubtubebabies have no soul, butu
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john: is this a better way to design an intersection? no traffic lights, no stop sign, no signs of any kind, traffic moves, and maybe you won't waste gas by coming to a full stop. is this a better idea in i doubt it, that is in ethiopia, that is one of the deadlyest places to drive, on video that got 4 1/2
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million hits, people finding better ways to speed traffic. katie ecato institute specialiss out that is what driving would be like if some urban planners had their way, some advocateing a system with no traffic and signs, dutch experimented with it, cars, people, bikes, interthe intersection from 4 different direct, and negotiate their way through, 1 they all had no traffic lights it was not great in 1800s, new york city had horse and carriage traffic jams or in winner horse and sleigh. congestion was bad. and bad enough for a wrong man named william enot said why not have people drive on the right, and stop signs. his ideas became the foundation
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of modern traffic rules. traffic engineers today of say some stop lights are out full but they will be less necessary in the future because soon computing the drive our cars, technology for driverless cars is here. evelyn reports on that for "wall street journal," we heard about google self driving cars, is it really go to happen. >> it may be years away, that said, google has made a lot of progress, in designing this car that can navigate highways and city streets that -- >> how? >> well, you know they have a system of cameras and lasers that can map out where the car is, but it is not a perfect system, they are not quite there yet. in terms of knowing for example what someone is motioning you can merge into their lane. that is something that computer still needs to learn.
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john: computer has radar to see other cars but it would not recognize a driver nearby say going ahead? >> yes, for example, but you know by next year that technology that software vehicle improved. google mad a lot of progress, we'll see driver less cars probably this year, and next, particularly near in california. we see dmv is drafting rules to give out licenses for that. john: a interview with a person in charge of the self driving car division in google. >> we have moveed from driveing on freeways to surface streets. john: he looks like he is barely out of high school. he will design a car that won't kill me. >> welcome to silicon valley, mark zuckerberg is 30, and controls a hundred billion dollar plus company, it is not that strange here. john: california, nevada,
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florida, and now michigan have legalized self driving cars, department of think it was, national department -- department of transportation, national department said you cannot really legalize it only limited t*eufts and no sales. >> and other bigger questions, i am sure other lobbyists some automakers may be cautious with driver less cars for example google is using lexus cars and other auto companys to outfit their system on top of car. >> in the event of an accident who is liable? the other legal questions still. >> and my computer crashes sometimes. >> so does mine. john: google has driven this car cross country many times only time there were accidents when a human was behind the wheel, they never had an accident. >> when you think about car
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accidents in u.s., and fatalities, that are because of human error, that is really the future that google is trying to push forward, idea that with more driverless cars you will have perhaps less fatalities. john: i would say, we have a hundred deaths per day in cars driven by humans and human error is main reasons. computer, certainly can do better? >> that is the hope, right? john: and regulator all of us worry about something, senator rock fell are said, what about cyberattacks could a 14-year-old in indonesia just shut your carr car down? >> as they are becoming more adopted hopefully security and that will rise up with it. john: and this month, at a tesla shareholder meeting alan aelon e made a tre dig.
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>> in less than a year you will be able to go from highway on-ramp to highwayic it without touch anything controls. -- without touch anything controls. >> idea that cell be approved first just for highways? >> in terms of highway driveing that is the easiest to navigate. because, you know there is less variable to act count for, what you on the highway. just going you know 20 mileser so, versus all of things this a city. >> thank you evelyn. >> coming up. my personal struggle with the new world. many. keeping a billion customers a year flying, means keeping seven billion transactions flowing. and when weather hits, it's data mayhem. but airlines running hp end-to-end solutions are always calm during a storm.
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john: it's a new world, but i am not ready for it. since the 80s, most every time technology changed, i resisted it. e-mail. what is bacharach facebook, who needs a? when computers came to the workplace, i was one of the last to adapt. cut and paste on a word document? is that? what is the? and cutting and pasting is to be cutting and pasting like this. younger people nag me until finally i try and then even i
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gripe because the computer sometimes crashes. i adapted so slowly that there was never a moment when i said wow, this is cool. so i will say it now. we are much better off because of it. i just got this new smart phone that can do amazing things just by showing at my face. also it answers spoken questions. >> john stossel, author and tv commentator and libertarian columnist. reporter: this is why it's important that america not let the old geezers and regulatory agencies decide which innovations are producible. most established the
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cluelessness about it and right now regulators want to cooperate innovations like ridesharing services for what you save money and make money. they want to kill room sharing deal to let people save money and have great new experiences. >> it's a lot better than being in a hotel by far. reporter: many want to kill these cigarettes that may help people quit smoking. and killing off small drones. figuring out the best way to deliver beer to ice fishermen espy drunker at the people fishing was happy and the bar was happy. the government said, cease-and-desist, commercial use of drones is unapproved. give me a break. we can't really stop it.
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>> the cellphone revolution seemed fast to me. remember how big they once were. >> radioshack keeps you on constant mutation with their cellular telephone. >> and they cost thousands of dollars. so very quickly it became old hat. >> you're watching the most exciting games you'll ever see on your tv set. three different games. with digital scoring, variable speed. >> now the changes will come even more quickly. google has filed a patent on smart contact lenses and do things like check your blood
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sugar would embrace the future be most expensive room in north america and twitter told us it may have a rolls-royce. >> coming up today lance armstrong back in the news hour of legal panel tackles the latest lawsuit involving tens of millions of taxpayer dollars. also the new way to fight fraud in realtime. one step ahead of identity steve. >> and celebrity chef has some tips for the barbecue. the wallace report starts right now. gerri: we begin with a new warning about the housing market is the bubble about to burst again? new figures


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